I live in Florida and around where I live, nobody makes hula hoops... Anyway. I met this girl who is 17 and she was into hooping, so I showed her my hoop collection and she bought one. We started hanging out probably for the past 3 weeks. She had another friend who wanted one. I ended up selling 2 to her friends. I made $75 off the whole deal. I also sold $125 worth to new people I recruited on Craigslist. She saw how much money I made from them which is probably what made her want to make hoops. She even used my hoop workshop to distribute her own business cards.
She had never made hoops, so she asked me how. I didn't really want to, but I still went to the store with her and showed her the tubing options hoping she would go her own way and not copy me. But she asked exactly what I used and bought everything. I was supposed to make her male friend a hoop so I ordered some masculine tapes. She ordered the same kind that I had on my previous hoops which everyone loved and bought.
Just the other day, she, the dude, and her friend came over and said, "Guess what? I'm going to make his hoop." At first I didn't say anything. Later I text her and I told her it was upsetting because I had already planned to make it and bought tapes for it. She got defensive and claims that she had "promoted" my hoops and wasn't "stealing" anything. So that means it is ok to take a customer from me? She also said, "I just have fun it's not about money." (I love when people who are not in their mid-twenties say this). They have no financial worries.
It's great she promoted my hoops, but it's not like I asked her or needed the help. She was getting free workshops and lessons from me on a regular basis and learning skills that have taken me years to acquire. The point was not to go around and sell hoops for less to my potential customers. I could care less if he is "her friend" becauseI was supposed to be his hoopmaker. I would have given her a discount or something for being a good customer, but the point of a customer especially a FRIEND customer is to bring you more business, not compete! Also I work as a promoter selling alcohol, but I can't promote Heineken and Bud Light at the same time because they are competitors. Same concept. How are you going to promote for a friend and then promote yourself with the same product?
She took the knowledge I gave her and is now profiting from it. She doesn't understand why I am pissed when I bought materials to make someone a hoop. And now those materials have to be compensated for. Not to mention I've been shelling out money to make my workshops more fun, like music, batteries, charger, etc. This all costs money that is supposed to be made back by my sales, and this week I had -25 earned.
Oh and I have bills, too. Something a 17 year old wouldn't know jack s*** about. No wonder it's so easy to just "do it all for fun." Her extra pocket cash is money for my living expenses.
Over the years I've tried to be more selfless and giving and forgiving... I am going to be 25 next month. So I just felt ultimate bad karma slap for no reason at all. Why did this happen to me? It took so long to find another nearby hooper friend, and the first one I find goes ahead and steps all over my toes. What would you do about this situation and how would you feel if someone did this to you?
This article comes to mind.... http://www.hoopcity.ca/forum/topics/do-you-believe-you-have
This is also about setting boundaries...if you didn't really want to go to the store with her you shouldn't feel like you have to or owe it to her or whatever feelings you had about it. It's really natural to want to help and share hooping, but the people who are really into it will figure it out on their own while you can focus on yourself and your business!
Well, that's how I felt. i didn't want to be a b**** and tell her "NO I AM NOT GOING TO THE STORE WITH YOU." I wanted to be nice, maybe help her learn. Instead she took it upon herself to take a customer claiming he was "her friend" first. But who the f*** cares when it comes to respect. All of us agreed I should be making this hoop for him, and then as soon as she got her tapes (which I helped her pick) he said he wanted those colors, and so she is taking all the profits/credit? Wtf is that. Seriously. If you don't understand this (for all those commenters/readers that disagree) you are for real, retarded.
Honestly, you are too focused on the money.
why don't you realize what doors you've opened for a young girl.
i'm sure you won't be homeless and hungry on the streets if you don't get these hoop sales, so just share the love!
I hate money just as much as everyone else, but when I spent 2 years dedicated to hooping, breathing, bruising, making mistakes, learning from my experience... why should I just pass it off for free? Shouldn't everyone have to experience their own ? I would want to, anyways. Maybe some people are just afraid of failure so they try to follow what seems like a probable future.
and 75 for two hoops? that's quite expensive.
No, 75 for 3. $25 each. and They are nice. Usually hoops like mine are on the market are about $35-$40 but I sell for less because it does not include s&h or market fees.
"she took the knowledge i gave her and is now profiting off it"
didn't you do the same thing to whomever gave you the knowledge to do your hoops?
what...were you expecting her to learn about all this cool stuff and then do nothing with the new talent she discovered?
The knowledge I got was from YouTubers all across the nation. It wasn't like I was hanging out with them one-on-one, learning all I could, and then offering their customers a cheap option. I was the first and only person in Bartram Park to be building and marketing hoops. And to me, that took a lot. I moved from Ohio to be here. Thanks.
you refer to her as young, so you must be older then her. move on if it's bothering you. don't get caught up in he said she said.
instead of spending time upset at her for doing it, spend time helping out your business, that is suddenly in jeopardy...
I am actually going to be 25 next month, and this girl is 17.
and while not wanting to be caught up in the verbatims of such scenarios, I have every right to discuss and talk about it. 99% of people I've talked to agree that what she did was wrong.
When I first started hooping I never went to my hoop mamma's customers and try to sell them my products. I just knew better. Not everyone understands common sense, considerate behavior, and gratitude for a simple lesson in life.
I know how you feel. I have been there. On the bright side: Jacksonville, Florida, in terms of geographical distance, is the largest city in the United States! I don't know the population but there are TONS of people there, tons of beach and water, tourists, boutiques, street fairs, etc.
I WISH I had a hoop business in Jacksonville. ^_^
So what I am getting at is... I know it's a bitter pill to swallow but let it roll off. You will be OK.
You are very lucky not to be living in a small town. Further,,, You are not the first person to sell hoops in Jacksonville. I have seen the ones at Bead Here Now, and I myself have sold MANY hoops there at a street fair. I used to visit there once per month, to visit my daughter, so I know. ^_^
I imagine that when you began selling hoops in Jacksonville you probably made someone else feel uncomfortable too. But don't worry about that. Honestly there is plenty of room for hoop sellers there!
Thanks for everyone's advice. It's just that me and this girl live within the same zipcode. Actually we live like 40 seconds walking distance apart. I understand there are other hoopers doing the same thing, but we all come from different paths. I just think it's cheating to cross paths with someone unique and then take their idealistic way of living and make it their own in a copycat way, knowing who I am. When I moved here I had no idea who the other hoopers were, but once I started to know, I just chose not to gravitate towards their audiences or customers. I would expect the same from newer hoopers, especially because the city is so big and vast. Why take from someone who lives a few steps away when you could go into the city and try to meet new people ?