so I came across this article which I found very informative to give us a better understanding of this matters. Im sure you all will find it very useful ^_^

How to permanently eliminate menstrual discomfort.

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How to eliminate menstrual discomfort, distress, pain, bloating, general bitchiness, all odors in all places and fluids, emotional instability, intellectual confusion, tenderness: physical and/or emotional disturbances, headaches, hot flashes, depression, ... and all the other common negative manifestations of “the curse”. This, through simple, easy, obvious, and natural changes in diet.

Learning to THINK outside the box.

To understand this simple principle, it is necessary to learn to think in a rational manner, and follow facts and logic to wherever they lead.
Start with realizing that little girls are programmed into cooking, washing clothes, and playing with dolls (the so-called mothering instinct), and little boys are programmed into violence, power plays, and greed (the so-called warrior instinct). But, none of this is “instinct”; it is pure social/cultural conditioning in the most fundamental Pavlovian sense. Humans are conditioned 24 hours per day as infants, and so we come to mindlessly copy those humans in our surroundings; we unwittingly become cultural robots, merely copying and playing out the expectation of others. The human, so conditioned all its waking hours for several years, or decades, by parents, “school”, “religious” training, job environments, military, public media (the worst), ... until the rare, occasional misfit figures out that he/she wants to control and direct his/her own destiny, and rebels against the Local Establishment; here represented by the backward-thinking, or more accurately, the non-thinking parental units, and the sleeping culture, at large.

Did anyone ever teach you how to think?

Most parents do not actively teach their children much beyond the obligatory colors, letters, numbers (but not mathematics), animal names, simple words, and trivial social niceties … “Parenting” is generally left to The System: “schools” (Remember that the individuals in a school of fish do not think and/or act independently. For fish, “schooling” is a survival instinct; in humans, “schooling” is mindless conformity to the mediocre, and guarantees eternal slavery to it. Independent thought and action are actively suppressed for the sake of the efficiency of the psychological-conditioning process.)
For humans, who are widely dispersed along the HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_curve" Bell curve, regimented lessons, no matter how sincere, will always leave the bright students bored stiff (the result being the possible permanent shutting down of the intellect), and the slow students overwhelmed, “behind”, and psychologically and intellectually inadequate. Thus, both these groups are essentially permanently lost and become uneducable. The narrow band of “average” students might learn a little, but are also impeded by the mere presence of the other two groups.
 This should provide some insight into the reasons for the failure of public education.

Our parents were omnipotent to us,
but really not too bright!

We naively believe and trust in our Parental Gods, for it was They Who Created Us! We trust our parental units with our very lives; we have to, because we are totally dependant on these giants, these all-powerful beings. They totally control us 24 hours a day, for DECADES. Some children are so traumatized by conventional societal injustice, pain, dishonesty, trickery, corrupt politicians, corrupt government, conventional diets, junk foods, sugar, caffeine, tobacco, toxic meat, tens of thousands of industrial chemicals added to the public food supply that have never, and WILL never, be fully researched by independent investigators for the diseases caused by the long-term ingestion of these food additives, … and all the rest of it, so they become “depressed”. Depression and violent behavior are commonly created by ”food-induced hypoglycemia”, and linked to consumption of sugar, caffeine (soft drinks), animal products.
Many studies have been done that show the causal relationship between eating sugar, caffeine, meats, dairy, food additives, junk foods, refined starches, … and ‘antisocial’ behavior’. All these profoundly affect the victims’ consciousness and therefore their behavior, also. And, of course, these destructive behaviors are culturally-conditioned into unsuspecting and helpless children.

Cultural hypnosis/cultural programming.

Unfortunately, our parents are rather primitive, growing up in a culture (western laborer/techie/business drone/house wife, secretary, nurse, …) that does not encourage intelligence, excellence, or innovation, but rather is severely challenged by them. Thus, the intellect, un-nurtured and abandoned by the extant culture, starves, and remains dormant, trapped forever in a childish fantasy world, with no hope of escape. Such is the unintended fate of the masses due simply to malprogramming in the local cultural value systems. Societies that encourage development of the intellect and independent thought at least have the possibility of doing so; unfortunately, the societies who do not encourage such development have no chance of attaining it. For them, it does not exist.
 One must realize that one is in prison, before one can plan an escape; those who do not know that they are in prison will never plan an escape.

Is human menstruation natural?

Similarly, deep, erroneous, and destructive negative cultural programming of false beliefs dominates the process called “menstruation”. 
 The fact to be aware of is that the other apes do not menstruate; they have HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estrous_cycle" estrus, which is totally different. Estrus precedes possible impregnation and is characterized by the females’ body preparing for possible impregnation, and by the excretion of HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pheromone" pheromones that attract and stimulate the male’s sexual activity to support the possible pregnancy. Since the human genetic code is 98.4% identical to that of the chimp, perhaps the chimp might be a good candidate for a model of healthy sexual functioning, in addition to diet; at least, ignoring the cultural practice being recently developed in some troops: that of trading HYPERLINK "http://ecologos.org/chimphunt.htm" freshly-killed animal HYPERLINK "http://ecologos.org/iangilby.htm" flesh for sexual favors. This is remarkably similar to human “dating”.
 The sexist bias of global male-dominated societies is clearly reflected in the fact that IF male physicians had monthly “bleeding” from their genitals, accompanied by the often unpleasant and debilitating symptomology common to females, they would seriously research the cause and cure of this “disease”. 
 Human HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menstruation" menstruation, and the accompanying odors, certainly in not sexually attractive to the male, nor is it pleasant to the female. These unpleasant odors are caused mostly by, and are characteristic of, putrefying improperly-digested HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein" proteins, and are the result of the woman’s consuming far HYPERLINK "http://ecologos.org/pro.htm" too HYPERLINK "http://ecologos.org/pp.htm" much protein due to the cultural diet. These undigested proteins are then available in the colon to feed HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moritz_Traube" putrefactive bacteria, and the bacteria’s metabolic wastes contain the odiferous HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amine" amine compounds. These toxic compounds move throughout the body to cause all sorts of health problems.
The characteristic, unpleasant, HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nausea" nauseating odors of the feces, urine, sweat (body odor), and breath of cultural meat-eaters is caused by amines, such as HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indole" indole, HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skatole" skatole, HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadaverine" cadaverine, HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putrescine" putrescine, and a non-amine: HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_sulfide" hydrogen sulfide (that old favorite from high school chemistry class). All these toxic compounds have their ultimate origin in the consumption of animal products and other high-protein items, such as nuts/seeds, beans, legumes, pulses, etc. in the cultural diet.
 Wendy Harris and Nadine Forrest MacDonald wrote a little publication entitled HYPERLINK "http://www.waldorfhomeschoolers.com/menstruation.htm" Is Menstruation Necessary? Obviously, the title indicates: NO. Women experimenting with a raw vegan diet commonly, and joyously, find that the negative sequelae markedly diminish, or eventually disappear entirely, as their bodies detox from years of cultural diet eating.
 Menstruation’s true biological function is in heated HYPERLINK "http://www.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/334/7600/955" \l "165350" dispute. Unfortunately, hormonal contraceptives should not be used for the control of “menstruation”, or for any purpose, as suggested by medicos.
“Yet, the scientific literature, as far back as the 1970s, documents the positive relationship between the number of menstrual cycles in a woman’s lifetime and the chance of developing a reproductive tract cancer; the deleterious effect of menstrual blood loss on iron deficiency anemia (which affects over a half billion women primarily in the less developed regions of the world); the causal and exacerbating effect of menstruation on endometriosis and dysmenorrhea; and the pre-menstrual triggering of catamenial diseases (i.e. epilepsy, migraine)” suggests that menstruation should be minimized by natural means.”
I do not agree with the common belief stated above re: “iron deficiency anemia”, since the amount of iron lost is minimal, and cultural diet eaters ingest far too much iron in the form of toxic HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heme_iron" heme iron. Fortunately, humans are not blood drinkers, so should not be consuming animal flesh, animal blood, or their inherent HYPERLINK "http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html" heme iron.

The way out!

Herein, is presented a non-drug, simple dietary approach that will avoid ingesting common cultural “foods” that are, indeed, the ultimate cause for all unpleasant menstrual phenomena, in addition to many other “diseases”.
The negative sequelae humans commonly experienced during menstruation; pain, “cramps”, nausea, headache, tenderness, emotional instability, general bitchiness, fatigue, inexplicable inappropriate behavior, “what have you got, the rag on?”, … ALL are logical, biochemically-driven effects of internal toxins being released into the blood stream to be expelled through the skin, sweat, urine, feces, breath,… during an internal cleansing process that is preparatory for possible impregnation. These toxic materials are ingested in the forms of “meat”, “eggs”, “fish”, “fowl”, … all animal bodies and parts, or are created in the process of trying to digest “foods” that are really not natural foods for our species.
Since the human is a HYPERLINK "http://ecologos.org/pix/Health/chimpdiet.xls" frugivorous ape, our digestive biochemistry is suited to eat mostly fruit, and the occasional greens. Human genetic code is HYPERLINK "http://www.gate.net/~rwms/primegendist.html" 98.4% identical to the chimp, our closest genetic cousin. Obviously, most of that difference is reflected more in physical appearance than any significant changes in comparative biochemistry. There is no way for human digestive systems to “ HYPERLINK "http://ecologos.org/chimphunt.htm" adapt” to animal flesh, raw or cooked. Our digestive HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biochemistry" biochemistry is controlled by our HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_code" genetic code; it remains the way it has been throughout our HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution" evolutionary history, and it will not change to suit the cultural biases or favorite beliefs of anyone, or their local tribe.

The difference between estrus and menstruation.

Clearly, estrous, which occurs 180° out-of-phase with menstruation, has as its purpose the attraction and stimulation of the male; menstruation is certainly not attractive, nor stimulating, to the human male. Around the planet, females have been isolated from the local tribes’ population when they are menstruating; such was the primitive superstitions based on ignorance built up about this phenomenon in many different, isolated (from each other) cultures. Therefore, menstruation and estrous are totally different physiologically and psychologically.

Understanding that all human disease is created by ignorance of Natural Laws and the disease experiencer’s ignorant, and generally quite innocent, violation of same, one could intentionally remove those factors in one’s life that cause the difficulty, and reasonably expect that the body will respond positively and give unmistakable feedback that one has moved in the correct direction. Thus, your day-to-day experiences will verify that correctness, or lack thereof, of the changes you are experimenting with.

It is of fundamental importance that you fully, and deeply, understand that YOU will make all the decisions based on YOUR OWN day-to-day journey. I am not telling anyone what to do! All I am doing is sharing information that I have found to be very useful over the years, and trying different avenues for publicity.

How to change your diet successfully.

The basic idea is to transition quickly, or slowly at your own pace, to a mostly, or all, raw diet approximating that of our closest genetic relative, the HYPERLINK "http://ecologos.org/pix/Health/chimpdiet.xls" chimp. That is, mostly fruits, and vegetables as a secondary food source.
The first major benchmark will be the elimination of all animal protein and fat. It would be well to read T. Colin Campbell, PhD’s, book, HYPERLINK "http://tinyurl.com/2dut75" The China Study, a 20-year epidemiological study done on the effects of cultural dietary items on human health.
 One may drop animal products overnight, or gradually, as one chooses.
 Basically, our bodies are leaky protein bags, and once the ingestion of toxic material, and material that creates toxins in the body due to improper digestion, are reduced or eliminated, the body will respond by excreting these foreign materials out by every conceivable orifice.
I call these excretory processes “ HYPERLINK "http://ecologos.org/cleansing.htm" cleansing reactions”.
In order to change diet successfully and comfortably it is absolutely necessary to know how to control the dynamics of the cleansing by eating on a day-to-day basis. One may construct a hierarchy of possible diets ordered from the most rapid and vigorous cleansing through lesser intensities.
Here is a list of diets arranged from the most intense and vigorous cleansing down to the least.

Fasting; the consumption of water, only. Daily, plain, warm water enemas on waking, and at the first sign of any discomfort experienced on any of these levels.
Fruit juices; fresh squeezed, bottled, …
Fruit; raw
Fruit, raw and vegetable salads, raw. These eaten at different meals; i.e. do not mix fruits and vegs at the same meal.
Fruit and vegs, raw, with some lightly cooked, or steamed, vegs.
Above, with more severely cooked vegs.
Above, with small amounts of cooked grains, such as brown rice, bulgur, etc.
Above, with more cooked grains.

It is well to avoid HYPERLINK "http://ecologos.org/pp.htm" concentrated HYPERLINK "http://ecologos.org/pro.htm" proteins from HYPERLINK "http://ecologos.org/anxiety.htm" any source; nuts/seeds, beans, legumes …
As one lightens up their diet, cleansing reaction will occur, and sometimes astounding quantities of stored undigested proteins and carbohydrates, in addition to large quantities of old stored toxins, will be excreted through every bodily orifice.
The thing to learn is that IF the cleansing reactions get too intense for one to handle their planet-side trip, then one may slow down the speed of the process by eating lower on the above spectrum. Similarly, one may speed up the process by moving upward on the list, say, if one has a full weekend to devote to cleansing, or one has set aside a week or two for some serious work.
Thus, what one eats on a day-to-day basis controls the speed of detox, so one is in complete control of the process. 
 There have been many people who get very enthused about a raw diet, and not knowing the dynamics, jump into an all-raw diet overnight. They feel pretty good for a week or two, but then get hit by intense cleansing, and mistakenly think they “got sick”, so they change back to their old toxic, HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mucus" mucus-laden diet. The cleansing therefore stops, and they mistakenly think the raw diet “made them sick”, or they are better suited to their old cultural diet. Thus, their ignorance of the dynamics of the process has led them back into a deadly, dead-end diet. It is wise to avoid this common trap by understanding the dynamics of the detox process.

For a broad overview of human diet, and the culturally-induced diseases caused by eating cultural diets, see my HYPERLINK "http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html" website.
Feel free to visit my newsgroup: HYPERLINK "news:alt.food.vegan.science"news:alt.food.vegan.science, and ask questions from there.

Laurie

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take it as you wish , its an open discussion forum, Its interesting how everyone has so many different opinions in this matter. it makes it really interesting. Now I said I never wrote the article I just simply found it interesting. Im in no way promoting an unhealthy detox diet just sharing my point of views as everybody else. 

We appreciate an alternative thought and thanks for sharing!

Oh, I know you didn't write it! And it's certainly interesting. I am also coming from a very different mindset and outlook on all this stuff. I even think hormonal birth control is a grave evil against women for stopping them from ovulating and taking away something so central and feminine from us all in the name of empowering them not to get pregnant, makes me sick. So then I read articles like this that want to take menstruation away altogether, and one of the premises for doing so is that "perhaps" we are supposed to function as a chimp does. It's just very dehumanizing for me to hear something like that. I am all in favour of healthy eating, raw food diets, etc, but not detox diets like at the end of the article here. They are very dangerous, and taking things like spirulina or chlorella for detox are a much better alternative.

I'm sorry if I came across harsh or overly dismissive in my original reply. I was just left feeling angry that once again I'm reading stuff that just seems to me like they are wanting to turn women into men, another thing in a long line of a downward spiral. Men don't ovulate. Men don't menstruate. And now I'm supposed to want that too? I got sent home from work today cuz I was throwing up because my period was making me nauseous. I have been able to alleviate a lot of the cramps from changing my diet, but I still throw up some times. Still, I wouldn't change a thing if it meant I had to give up menstruating. It's too central to who I am as a woman, and I hate to look at it as a disease, as something I should be discreet about, something I need to be ashamed over. It's a period. A period of mourning that I am not yet with child, but it is generating new life and tissue inside of me by doing so and giving me hope that this is not the end but the beginning of something wonderful.

I understand where you coming from. but then again is her perspective, in mine i dont think people should become raw,vegan etc just because an animal eats like that but more so because its how nature intended us to be, i personally dont think eating out of a can. or box is natural. even frozen food seems "inert" as it has no life energy. even veggies that you buy at the store. from conventional to organic. from fresh picked to something you got at the grocery store. it looses life energy which is waht we all need in my opinion, . and shes pretty much listing many different options that anybody can take. I dont think necessarily that this article is trying to turn woman into man. thats impossible. but i deff think that periods shouldnt hurt and shouldnt be crazy long. like anything in excess is not good. sorry to hear you throw up. im sure theres more than changing your diet that you can do to not have those episodes. do you take probiotics by any chance?

Ah, this topic lives!

Want a more comfortable period? Well, I'll happily promote these. I switched to one a good eight months ago. I don't regret it at all, and actually wear it almost continually (rinsed often and all that).


I actually own a Lunette, one of the ones in the second picture. These largely aren't mentioned or used in the United States, which is a total shame. I was a skeptic and I am a convert. If you can spend about $35, seriously. Get one and try it.
I've been wanting one of those for a while now. I heard it's awsome (healthier, no bleaching products and stuff and you don't have to care about it so much since you change it in the morning and in the evening, better for the environment).

It's not mentionned or used because of the lobby of the pads and tampons. If every women was using the moon cup (you buy one and use it for 10 years), it would be the end of the tampons industries ah!ah!ah!
Well, they're big in Europe and Africa, and so forth. At least that's my understanding. Most of these companies seem based in places like Sweden and Switzerland.

As for changing it, I just have one and I rinse it when I go to the bathroom. If it's a public bathroom I try to keep a single pack wetwipe in my pocket for such occasions. And I wash it with soap in the shower daily, and maybe once or twice a month hit it with a very reduced bleach rinse (then wash it with a gentle soap).That's just me though and it's worked just fine! And I do still use pads, it's just now I only use the lightest kind of liner, and maybe one or two days out of the month as a backup (three or four pads in all).
I'm intrigued..

I absolutely despise disposable products, especially tampons.

Do they sell products like these in stores, or must they be purchased online?
Well, if you're lucky you can find menstrual cups for sale in new-agey health food type stores, but in the US it's a longshot. If a place sells the flannel pads and whatnot, they may have the cups.

Otherwise, yeah, you're going to have to buy online. Happily most of the companies that make these (and there are a variety of companies) have US mirror sites that will happily sell to you. Mooncup is a popular brand, I got a Lunette because I liked the look of the stem better (it has grippy rings). Divacup is another brand. There's a Menstrualcups.org site that has a lot of info on the different brands, but you'll have to dig a little. And they have a lot of information on different folds.

I am interested in this, but how are they not disposable?

we sell this at the store I work at. Do they feel like tampons? because i really cant stand tampons.. i hope they dont :D

Wow, I have never ever heard of such a thing, I am super intrigued. I feel like I am compounding landfills every month by simply being a women. I refuse to use the plastic tampons and switched to the cardboard but still feel awful and guilty. This looks like a positive alternative.

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