Hey hey! just now saw you commented on that one video of mine about the shoulder hooping. the advice i have for those two shoulder tricks are.. are you comfortable hooping normally on those two angles? being comfortable with those angles helps and ton!and if you've really comfortable with shoulder hoop tricks standing up straight. and which direction do you hoop, to the left or right? if you're a lefty, like myself... when i'm facing the ground hooping on that angle the trick is the smoothest when you try it on your right shoulder. and when you're facing the sky on that angle, use your left shoulder. my friend tried using the other shoulers to learn first, and it was so hard to learn that way. once you're comfortable with using the two shoulders that make it smooth first, then you can learn the other shoulders. omg sorrrry for the long mesage and awful explanation. much love though! hope i help some! -Michelle!